Sunday, November 28. 2004
Some links
Here's a semi-annotated bibliography of the A's blog links about the Kendall trade:
- A win shares analysis from Andrew Koch that doesn't bother with silly things like payroll implications.
- A quick post from Blez at Athletics Nation that appears unabashedly happy.
- An entry from Faust at Athletics Nation that goes more in-depth than any other piece I've seen, mine included. He uses different numbers than I have (notably that the A's will receive $7 million in 2007, rather than $5, which changes things rather drastically), but he comes to the same basic conclusion: the A's got better on the field, but paid a price to do so. I miss the days when the A's methods were unknown and they could basically grab great, unheralded players for cheap, essentially getting better on the field without having to pay a price. Of course, those were also the days immediately following their 75-win days, so getting better was a much easier proposition.
- Mad Dog at Barry Zito Forever adds a roster analysis that I have a few quibbles with:
- Is lefty-righty-ness of a lineup really more important than getting your top OBP guy more at bats? If not, as I suspect, then Kendall should be leading off next year.
- I really can't see Nick Swisher starting the year batting fifth.
- I figure Justin Duchscherer for the fifth spot in the rotation to start the year, with Joe Blanton in Sacramento. When Blanton proves he's ready and Duchscherer proves he's not a long-term solution (the latter of which, by the way, I'm not convinced is going to happen), then we can figure out where to go. Duchscherer's place in the 'pen can be taken by some random lefty Rule 5 pick or a Kirk Saarloos type.
- Finally, Elephants in Oakland adds this, mentioning the A's depth at catcher and talking about the replacements at the pitcher spots recently vacated by Redman and Rhodes, all in his rather inimitable style.
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Marginal Dollars per Marginal Win, 2004
I've built the spreadsheet and run the numbers. Here are the Marginal Dollars per Marginal Win data for 2004, ordered alphabetically first.
MWpMD, alpha | Team | Wins | Losses | Win % | Marginal Wins | Payroll | Marginal Payroll | Marginal Dollars per Marginal Win | | Anaheim | 92 | 70 | .568 | 43.4 | $101,084,667 | $92,684,667 | $2,135,591 | | Arizona | 51 | 111 | .315 | 2.4 | $70,204,984 | $61,804,984 | $25,752,077 | | Atlanta | 96 | 66 | .593 | 47.4 | $88,507,788 | $80,107,788 | $1,690,038 | | Baltimore | 78 | 84 | .481 | 29.4 | $51,212,653 | $42,812,653 | $1,456,213 | | Boston | 98 | 64 | .605 | 49.4 | $125,208,542 | $116,808,542 | $2,364,545 | | Chicago (A) | 83 | 79 | .512 | 34.4 | $65,212,500 | $56,812,500 | $1,651,526 | | Chicago (N) | 89 | 73 | .549 | 40.4 | $91,101,667 | $82,701,667 | $2,047,071 | | Cincinnati | 76 | 86 | .469 | 27.4 | $43,067,858 | $34,667,858 | $1,265,250 | | Cleveland | 80 | 82 | .494 | 31.4 | $34,569,300 | $26,169,300 | $833,417 | | Colorado | 68 | 94 | .420 | 19.4 | $64,590,403 | $56,190,403 | $2,896,413 | | Detroit | 72 | 90 | .444 | 23.4 | $46,353,554 | $37,953,554 | $1,621,947 | | Florida | 83 | 79 | .512 | 34.4 | $42,118,042 | $33,718,042 | $980,176 | | Houston | 92 | 70 | .568 | 43.4 | $74,666,303 | $66,266,303 | $1,526,873 | | Kansas City | 58 | 104 | .358 | 9.4 | $47,609,000 | $39,209,000 | $4,171,170 | | Los Angeles | 93 | 69 | .574 | 44.4 | $89,694,342 | $81,294,342 | $1,830,954 | | Milwaukee | 67 | 94 | .416 | 18.8 | $27,518,500 | $19,118,500 | $1,016,069 | | Minnesota | 92 | 70 | .568 | 43.4 | $53,585,000 | $45,185,000 | $1,041,129 | | Montreal | 67 | 95 | .414 | 18.4 | $43,197,500 | $34,797,500 | $1,891,168 | | New York (A) | 101 | 61 | .623 | 52.4 | $182,835,513 | $174,435,513 | $3,328,922 | | New York (N) | 71 | 91 | .438 | 22.4 | $100,629,303 | $92,229,303 | $4,117,380 | | Oakland | 91 | 71 | .562 | 42.4 | $59,825,167 | $51,425,167 | $1,212,858 | | Philadelphia | 86 | 76 | .531 | 37.4 | $93,219,167 | $84,819,167 | $2,267,892 | | Pittsburgh | 72 | 89 | .447 | 23.8 | $32,227,929 | $23,827,929 | $999,192 | | San Diego | 87 | 75 | .537 | 38.4 | $54,639,503 | $46,239,503 | $1,204,154 | | San Francisco | 91 | 71 | .562 | 42.4 | $82,019,167 | $73,619,167 | $1,736,301 | | Seattle | 63 | 99 | .389 | 14.4 | $81,543,833 | $73,143,833 | $5,079,433 | | St. Louis | 105 | 57 | .648 | 56.4 | $75,633,517 | $67,233,517 | $1,192,084 | | Tampa Bay | 70 | 91 | .435 | 21.8 | $29,506,667 | $21,106,667 | $966,653 | | Texas | 89 | 73 | .549 | 40.4 | $54,825,973 | $46,425,973 | $1,149,158 | | Toronto | 67 | 94 | .416 | 18.8 | $50,017,000 | $41,617,000 | $2,211,770 |
Now, ordered by winning percentage:
MWpMD, win% | Team | Wins | Losses | Win % | Marginal Wins | Payroll | Marginal Payroll | Marginal Dollars per Marginal Win | | St. Louis | 105 | 57 | .648 | 56.4 | $75,633,517 | $67,233,517 | $1,192,084 | | New York (A) | 101 | 61 | .623 | 52.4 | $182,835,513 | $174,435,513 | $3,328,922 | | Boston | 98 | 64 | .605 | 49.4 | $125,208,542 | $116,808,542 | $2,364,545 | | Atlanta | 96 | 66 | .593 | 47.4 | $88,507,788 | $80,107,788 | $1,690,038 | | Los Angeles | 93 | 69 | .574 | 44.4 | $89,694,342 | $81,294,342 | $1,830,954 | | Anaheim | 92 | 70 | .568 | 43.4 | $101,084,667 | $92,684,667 | $2,135,591 | | Houston | 92 | 70 | .568 | 43.4 | $74,666,303 | $66,266,303 | $1,526,873 | | Minnesota | 92 | 70 | .568 | 43.4 | $53,585,000 | $45,185,000 | $1,041,129 | | Oakland | 91 | 71 | .562 | 42.4 | $59,825,167 | $51,425,167 | $1,212,858 | | San Francisco | 91 | 71 | .562 | 42.4 | $82,019,167 | $73,619,167 | $1,736,301 | | Chicago (N) | 89 | 73 | .549 | 40.4 | $91,101,667 | $82,701,667 | $2,047,071 | | Texas | 89 | 73 | .549 | 40.4 | $54,825,973 | $46,425,973 | $1,149,158 | | San Diego | 87 | 75 | .537 | 38.4 | $54,639,503 | $46,239,503 | $1,204,154 | | Philadelphia | 86 | 76 | .531 | 37.4 | $93,219,167 | $84,819,167 | $2,267,892 | | Chicago (A) | 83 | 79 | .512 | 34.4 | $65,212,500 | $56,812,500 | $1,651,526 | | Florida | 83 | 79 | .512 | 34.4 | $42,118,042 | $33,718,042 | $980,176 | | Cleveland | 80 | 82 | .494 | 31.4 | $34,569,300 | $26,169,300 | $833,417 | | Baltimore | 78 | 84 | .481 | 29.4 | $51,212,653 | $42,812,653 | $1,456,213 | | Cincinnati | 76 | 86 | .469 | 27.4 | $43,067,858 | $34,667,858 | $1,265,250 | | Pittsburgh | 72 | 89 | .447 | 23.8 | $32,227,929 | $23,827,929 | $999,192 | | Detroit | 72 | 90 | .444 | 23.4 | $46,353,554 | $37,953,554 | $1,621,947 | | New York (N) | 71 | 91 | .438 | 22.4 | $100,629,303 | $92,229,303 | $4,117,380 | | Tampa Bay | 70 | 91 | .435 | 21.8 | $29,506,667 | $21,106,667 | $966,653 | | Colorado | 68 | 94 | .420 | 19.4 | $64,590,403 | $56,190,403 | $2,896,413 | | Milwaukee | 67 | 94 | .416 | 18.8 | $27,518,500 | $19,118,500 | $1,016,069 | | Toronto | 67 | 94 | .416 | 18.8 | $50,017,000 | $41,617,000 | $2,211,770 | | Montreal | 67 | 95 | .414 | 18.4 | $43,197,500 | $34,797,500 | $1,891,168 | | Seattle | 63 | 99 | .389 | 14.4 | $81,543,833 | $73,143,833 | $5,079,433 | | Kansas City | 58 | 104 | .358 | 9.4 | $47,609,000 | $39,209,000 | $4,171,170 | | Arizona | 51 | 111 | .315 | 2.4 | $70,204,984 | $61,804,984 | $25,752,077 |
And finally, sorted by Marginal Wins per Marginal Dollar:
MWpMD, mpwmd | Team | Wins | Losses | Win % | Marginal Wins | Payroll | Marginal Payroll | Marginal Dollars per Marginal Win | | Cleveland | 80 | 82 | .494 | 31.4 | $34,569,300 | $26,169,300 | $833,417 | | Tampa Bay | 70 | 91 | .435 | 21.8 | $29,506,667 | $21,106,667 | $966,653 | | Florida | 83 | 79 | .512 | 34.4 | $42,118,042 | $33,718,042 | $980,176 | | Pittsburgh | 72 | 89 | .447 | 23.8 | $32,227,929 | $23,827,929 | $999,192 | | Milwaukee | 67 | 94 | .416 | 18.8 | $27,518,500 | $19,118,500 | $1,016,069 | | Minnesota | 92 | 70 | .568 | 43.4 | $53,585,000 | $45,185,000 | $1,041,129 | | Texas | 89 | 73 | .549 | 40.4 | $54,825,973 | $46,425,973 | $1,149,158 | | St. Louis | 105 | 57 | .648 | 56.4 | $75,633,517 | $67,233,517 | $1,192,084 | | San Diego | 87 | 75 | .537 | 38.4 | $54,639,503 | $46,239,503 | $1,204,154 | | Oakland | 91 | 71 | .562 | 42.4 | $59,825,167 | $51,425,167 | $1,212,858 | | Cincinnati | 76 | 86 | .469 | 27.4 | $43,067,858 | $34,667,858 | $1,265,250 | | Baltimore | 78 | 84 | .481 | 29.4 | $51,212,653 | $42,812,653 | $1,456,213 | | Houston | 92 | 70 | .568 | 43.4 | $74,666,303 | $66,266,303 | $1,526,873 | | Detroit | 72 | 90 | .444 | 23.4 | $46,353,554 | $37,953,554 | $1,621,947 | | Chicago (A) | 83 | 79 | .512 | 34.4 | $65,212,500 | $56,812,500 | $1,651,526 | | Atlanta | 96 | 66 | .593 | 47.4 | $88,507,788 | $80,107,788 | $1,690,038 | | San Francisco | 91 | 71 | .562 | 42.4 | $82,019,167 | $73,619,167 | $1,736,301 | | Los Angeles | 93 | 69 | .574 | 44.4 | $89,694,342 | $81,294,342 | $1,830,954 | | Montreal | 67 | 95 | .414 | 18.4 | $43,197,500 | $34,797,500 | $1,891,168 | | Chicago (N) | 89 | 73 | .549 | 40.4 | $91,101,667 | $82,701,667 | $2,047,071 | | Anaheim | 92 | 70 | .568 | 43.4 | $101,084,667 | $92,684,667 | $2,135,591 | | Toronto | 67 | 94 | .416 | 18.8 | $50,017,000 | $41,617,000 | $2,211,770 | | Philadelphia | 86 | 76 | .531 | 37.4 | $93,219,167 | $84,819,167 | $2,267,892 | | Boston | 98 | 64 | .605 | 49.4 | $125,208,542 | $116,808,542 | $2,364,545 | | Colorado | 68 | 94 | .420 | 19.4 | $64,590,403 | $56,190,403 | $2,896,413 | | New York (A) | 101 | 61 | .623 | 52.4 | $182,835,513 | $174,435,513 | $3,328,922 | | New York (N) | 71 | 91 | .438 | 22.4 | $100,629,303 | $92,229,303 | $4,117,380 | | Kansas City | 58 | 104 | .358 | 9.4 | $47,609,000 | $39,209,000 | $4,171,170 | | Seattle | 63 | 99 | .389 | 14.4 | $81,543,833 | $73,143,833 | $5,079,433 | | Arizona | 51 | 111 | .315 | 2.4 | $70,204,984 | $61,804,984 | $25,752,077 |
So, let's first congratulate Arizona on their accomplishment. Not since all the way back in 2003, when the Tigers actually won fewer games than a random team of minimum-wage players should, has a team put up such an astounding number. In Detroit's case, it was hard to notice, because it just turned everything negative, so that they, in some way, paid about $7 million for each loss below replacement they managed to be. Anyway, that $25, almost $26, million figure is astounding, five times worst than the next worse team and three and a half times worst the second worst team in payroll efficiency from 1995 to present, the 2002 Detroit Tigers, who won four more games than these Diamondbacks while spending about $15 million fewer bucks.
The top of the list is dominated by the usual bad teams with low payrolls: Tampa Bay, PIttsburgh, and Milwaukee are three of the top five. They're not spending much money, but they're not winning much, either. Of the three, only Milwaukee can get many people excited about their future, so these aren't your 1997-1998 Oakland A's here.
On the other hand, Cleveland's team is quite exciting, and this list shows why their front office is so well regarded in the right circles: they appear to be on their way to winning with cheap, homegrown talent. Their payroll is coming down from the excesses of the late '90's and early '00's, but their win total seems to be now moving in the opposite direction, after tracking with the payroll since 1999: 97, 90, 91, 74, 68, and then back to 80 this year. There's no reason to think they won't fight it out with the Twins for the rest of the decade, at least.
Minnesota used to lose on the cheap and now they win on the cheap. They're going to have one of the lower MDpMW numbers regardless, but right now, it's a positive one. They make their share of mistakes (Shannon Stewart), but, as slow and methodical as they are about it, they've let a number of their young players come in and have an impact (Johan Santana, Justin Morneau).
As I mentioned before, Oakland is slipping: this is the first time they've been over a million bucks per marginal win in the Beane era. That can be chalked up to two things off the top of my head: bad luck combined with overpayment to Jermaine Dye, and four disappointing lefties (Mulder, Zito, Redman, Rhodes, in order of level of disappointment), two of which should have been avoided by the front office (Redman, Rhodes). Having those two guys on the team wasn't negative in itself. Paying them what the A's were paying them was the problem. Somehow, they've managed to turn it into a good thing for the next two years, getting Jason Kendall, but they way they've pushed the punishment for the mistakes back to 2007 reminds me too much of the Forty Niners of the mid- to late-nineties for comfort.
I'm sure I'll be able to have plenty of fun with these numbers over the next year.
UPDATE: Jesus Christmas. BP just published these numbers on the 19th. I wonder why they didn't Google. Maybe they're subscriber-only. Oh well. I'm leaving this here, though, especially since they don't have their numbers run together as a whole league or in the various sortings I have.
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