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Alright, class, the exercise is to determine the apparent Hall-of-Fame-worthiness of three certain Oakland (and former Oakland) pitchers. I'll do this the simplest way possible. I'll take all the HOF pitchers I can get information for and figure out their WARP totals after their age-26 and -28 seasons (appropriate ages for Zito and Mulder, and Hudson, respectively) and after five and six seasons of major league play (again, for the pitchers in question, respectively). To make the exercise more fun and less a history lesson, I've also included certain great modern pitchers who are still playing (Roger Clemens, Greg Maddux, Randy Johnson, and Pedro Martinez). The below table organizes the appropriate data alphabetically, for the in-HOF stars, with the current players at the bottom of the list (in no particular order). The "Method" column tells how the player got into the Hall, whether by BBWAA vote or by the Veterans' Commitee. Votes, for the players who got in by BBWAA, tell what percentage of the writers' vote they received when they were elected. That information comes from the invaluable Baseball Almanac.

Alphabetical, with non-HOF at bottom

Name	Method	Votes	WARP_26	WARP_28	WARP_5	WARP_6
Chief Bender	Veterans		37.8	47.6	20.2	24
Mordecai Brown	Veterans		4.1	12.2	28.6	40
Jim Bunning	Veterans		16.6	32.3	23.5	32.3
Steve Carlton	BBWAA	95.82%	31.5	51.7	25.6	31.5
Jack Chesbro	Veterans		2.6	15.4	21	35.1
John Clarkson	Veterans		45.2	72.7	40.4	45.2
Stan Coveleski	Veterans		4.7	25	46.2	55
Dizzy Dean	BBWAA	79.17%	49.2	58.5	49.2	55.6
Don Drysdale	BBWAA	78.41%	60.3	80.3	36.8	43.6
Dennis Eckersley	BBWAA	83.20%	46.8	55.6	39.3	44.3
Red Faber	Veterans		9.1	17.5	19.5	19.5
Bob Feller	BBWAA	93.75%	51.6	75.1	38.4	49.2
Rollie Fingers	BBWAA	81.16%	20.3	31.3	20.5	25.5
Whitey Ford	BBWAA	77.81%	24.4	37.1	33.4	37.1
Pud Galvin	Veterans		30.1	50.7	21	30.1
Bob Gibson	BBWAA	84.04%	18.9	31.8	24.3	31.8
Lefty Gomez	Veterans		34.5	48.7	28.9	34.5
Burleigh Grimes	Veterans		19.4	33.6	19.4	29.7
Lefty Grove	BBWAA	76.40%	10.7	27.4	35.3	47.7
Jesse Haines	Veterans		3.8	10.9	18.6	21.7
Waite Hoyt	Veterans		37.8	52.4	20.9	26.7
Carl Hubbell	BBWAA	86.96%	9.3	21.7	32.2	45.5
Catfish Hunter	BBWAA	76.27%	41.9	48	21.1	25.6
Fergie Jenkins	BBWAA	75.40%	42	62.7	42	54.7
Walter Johnson	BBWAA	83.63%	88.1	115.5	37.9	54.4
Addie Joss	Veterans		30	48	30	38.2
Tim Keefe	Veterans		28.2	42.4	38.6	42.4
Sandy Koufax	BBWAA	86.87%	24.8	44.4	12.7	19.2
Bob Lemon	BBWAA	78.61%	7.6	30.7	39.9	47.3
Ted Lyons	BBWAA	86.45%	30.2	40.8	34.3	40.8
Juan Marichal	BBWAA	83.69%	29.3	54.2	29.3	42
Rube Marquard	Veterans		23.8	26.8	23.8	26.5
Christy Mathewson	BBWAA	90.71%	72.7	101	51.4	57.2
Joe McGinnity	Veterans		0	8.8	32.2	43.8
Hal Newhouser	Veterans		68.6	90	30.2	45
Kid Nichols	Veterans		71.8	93.6	52.4	62.9
Phil Niekro	BBWAA	80.34%	1.8	9.2	25.8	30.5
Jim Palmer	BBWAA	92.57%	37.8	51.5	21.5	29.1
Herb Pennock	BBWAA	77.69%	12.4	21	0.7	1.1
Gaylord Perry	BBWAA	77.20%	10.1	25.8	25.8	33.1
Eddie Plank	Veterans		12.5	30.3	38.9	44.6
Old Hoss Radbourn	Veterans		5.8	26.5	43	53.1
Eppa Rixey	Veterans		23.6	30.4	17.2	23.6
Robin Roberts	BBWAA	86.86%	55.9	76.4	42.4	55.9
Red Ruffing	BBWAA	86.93%	29.9	44.1	24	29.9
Amos Rusie	Veterans		85.8	93.3	50.2	66.8
Nolan Ryan	BBWAA	98.79%	27.8	42.1	16.1	27.8
Tom Seaver	BBWAA	98.84%	49.8	70.1	49.8	58.3
Warren Spahn	BBWAA	82.89%	14.5	28	37.5	48.5
Don Sutton	BBWAA	81.61%	31	47	23	31
Dazzy Vance	BBWAA	81.67%	0.3	0.1	39.5	48.8
Rube Waddell	Veterans		29.3	50.9	21.7	29.3
Ed Walsh	Veterans		19.8	43.8	35	43.8
Mickey Welch	Veterans		32.4	45.7	22.4	29.2
Hoyt Wilhelm	BBWAA	83.80%	0	5.7	22.5	23.9
Vic Willis	Veterans		31.9	45.6	31.9	39.5
Early Wynn	BBWAA	76.01%	17.8	27.9	17.8	25.6
Cy Young	BBWAA	76.12%	39.4	63.7	50.4	63.7
Tim Hudson	Not in		29.7	45.8	39.7	45.8
Mark Mulder	Not in		33.3	33.3	33.3	33.3
Barry Zito	Not in		35.2	35.2	35.2	35.2
Roger Clemens	Not in		50	72.9	41.4	50
Greg Maddux	Not in		39.9	60.6	28.4	39.9
Randy Johnson	Not in		8	17.8	27.5	35.8
Pedro Martinez	Not in		41.6	68.1	32.1	41.6

Now, of course, the relevant averages. For players already in the Hall, the mean WARP_26 was 29.2; WARP_28 was 44.4; WARP_5 was 30.6; and WARP_6 was 38.7. Tim Hudson looks pretty good across the board. He's certainly matched the early careers of the pitchers in this list. The WARP_28 and WARP_6 scores are of little use for Mark Mulder and Barry Zito, but their WARP_26 and WARP_5 scores are excellent compared to their compatriots through history. Unfortunately, the Veterans' Commitee isn't known for its extreme judiciousness is choosing who gets to join the Hall of Fame. Let's weed out the Veterans' selections for a second and see what happens to the various averages: WARP_26 is now 30.9; WARP_28 is 46.3; WARP_5 is 31.3; and WARP_6 is 39.4. There's surprisingly little difference here, so Hudson, Mulder, and Zito end up looking almost as good in comparison to the group that might be regarded as the cream of the Hall of Fame crop as they do to the whole group. I won't put any more tables here, because they're rather unwieldy, but when I sort everybody, non-HOFers and HOFers (of all stripes) alike, by WARP_26, I find Zito 22nd, Mulder 24th, and Hudson 33rd, leaving only the now-Brave below the median (and even then, just so, with 65 members of the study group). When we sort by WARP_28, Hudson gets bumped up a few notches, to 30th. Mulder and Zito have a few more seasons before we can talk about their status here, but if they want to beat Hudson's standing, they'll have to put up 12.5 and 10.6 WARP, respectively, over the next two years. Those numbers seem far from out-of-reach since both players had their worst full seasons as pros (by the by: was it coincidence that Rick Peterson left town last year?) but still put up 5.9 and 4.9 WARP in 2004. By WARP_5, we find Hudson all the way up at the dizzying heights of 14th place, sandwiched between luminaries Bob Lemon and Dazzy Vance. Barry Zito is 24th and Mark Mulder 28th, very near their places in the WARP_26 rankings. Hudson loses a few spots in the WARP_6 standings, dropping to 18th, still a notch below Lemon. A lot can happen to pitchers, especially young ones, and Zito and Mulder are both definitely "young veterans," with the emphasis on young (at least when considering their health possibilities). There are probably any number of pitchers who, after five seasons or six seasons, or through the age of 26 or 28, could score well in this kind of exercise. What I'm trying to say is that these numbers don't make the former Three Aces a lock for the Hall, nor does it even say it's likely that they'll get in. All it really demonstrates is that the discussion of their chances of making it to the Hall isn't a ridiculous one to have. None of the three have any "ground to make up" to pitch like the greats have. All they're supposed to do going forward is maintain.

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